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		<title>By: Delta</title>
		<link>http://www.bodyguardcareers.com/2009/07/27/grammy-awards/comment-page-2/#comment-158471</link>
		<dc:creator>Delta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as an AIC the answer is B, keep your principal out of the harms way</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as an AIC the answer is B, keep your principal out of the harms way</p>
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		<title>By: Romel Espinosa Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romel Espinosa Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MY ANSWER IS “A” THIS IS ONLY MY LAST MINUTE OPINION OF THE SITUATION. “A” IS MY BEST ANSWER BECAUSE NUMBER 1 THERE IS THE MAN WITH THE GUN WHO HAS JUST BREACHED THE ROPES AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO TIME TO TURN THE CELEBRITY CLIENT AROUND TOWARD THE ESCAPE VEHICLE BECAUSE THE MAN IS RUNNING WITH THE ALLEGED FIREARM,THEREFORE YOU HAVE TO SECURE THE CIENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE PULLING THE CLIENT TO THE FLOOR WHILE GUARDING THE CLIENT,WHILE THE ADVANCE AGENT SECURES THE THREAT. 9 OUT OF 10 TIMES IF YOU ABSERVED THE TREAT THEN THE ADVANCED AGENT DID ALSO.

IN MY OPINION “B” IS NOT A GOOD CHOICE BECAUSE IF YOU MOVE THE CLIENT TOO FAST AND YOU GET SHOT,THEN YOUR CLIENT IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO GUNFIRE WHILE YOU ARE DOWN AND THE ADVANCE AGENT WOULDNOT BE ABLE TO ENGAGE CORRECTLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT NOW THE PERP IS A MOVING TARGET ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE CROWD THEREFORE LEAVING ROOM TO SHOOT AN INNOCENT PERSON OR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHICH COULD LEAD TO JAIL TIME OR LITIGATION PROBLEMS. THE BODY GUARD SHOULD PULL THE CLIENT TO THE FLOOR WHILE COVERING THE CLIENT WITH HIS BODY WHILE THE ADVANCED AGENT ENGAGES OR NEUTRALIZES THE THREAT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MY ANSWER IS “A” THIS IS ONLY MY LAST MINUTE OPINION OF THE SITUATION. “A” IS MY BEST ANSWER BECAUSE NUMBER 1 THERE IS THE MAN WITH THE GUN WHO HAS JUST BREACHED THE ROPES AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO TIME TO TURN THE CELEBRITY CLIENT AROUND TOWARD THE ESCAPE VEHICLE BECAUSE THE MAN IS RUNNING WITH THE ALLEGED FIREARM,THEREFORE YOU HAVE TO SECURE THE CIENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE PULLING THE CLIENT TO THE FLOOR WHILE GUARDING THE CLIENT,WHILE THE ADVANCE AGENT SECURES THE THREAT. 9 OUT OF 10 TIMES IF YOU ABSERVED THE TREAT THEN THE ADVANCED AGENT DID ALSO.</p>
<p>IN MY OPINION “B” IS NOT A GOOD CHOICE BECAUSE IF YOU MOVE THE CLIENT TOO FAST AND YOU GET SHOT,THEN YOUR CLIENT IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO GUNFIRE WHILE YOU ARE DOWN AND THE ADVANCE AGENT WOULDNOT BE ABLE TO ENGAGE CORRECTLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT NOW THE PERP IS A MOVING TARGET ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE CROWD THEREFORE LEAVING ROOM TO SHOOT AN INNOCENT PERSON OR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHICH COULD LEAD TO JAIL TIME OR LITIGATION PROBLEMS. THE BODY GUARD SHOULD PULL THE CLIENT TO THE FLOOR WHILE COVERING THE CLIENT WITH HIS BODY WHILE THE ADVANCED AGENT ENGAGES OR NEUTRALIZES THE THREAT.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Leimonitis</title>
		<link>http://www.bodyguardcareers.com/2009/07/27/grammy-awards/comment-page-2/#comment-151791</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Leimonitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My answer is B.I can’t assume my lead agent or the police will see the attacker before I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My answer is B.I can’t assume my lead agent or the police will see the attacker before I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lead agents responsibility to engage, DL or escort agent to ‘cover &amp; evacuate” the protectee. In this scenario I would turn him/her around using my body for cover and evacuate. I will leave gun fight to lead agent, other security, and police.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lead agents responsibility to engage, DL or escort agent to ‘cover &amp; evacuate” the protectee. In this scenario I would turn him/her around using my body for cover and evacuate. I will leave gun fight to lead agent, other security, and police.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Coyne</title>
		<link>http://www.bodyguardcareers.com/2009/07/27/grammy-awards/comment-page-2/#comment-151788</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Coyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only answer plausible out of the scenario is B, problem is that that solution is not possible. At an industry awards banquet the car is long gone. 

Then scenarios are completely different, such as did the advance agent notice the weapon? How close is the man with the gun, if within 6 feet or so, you need to attack the weapon. 

Then the third agent from the chase car takes the client if he is in the equation and not a driver/agent for the chase car. If you have no retreat, then the person that sees the weapon shouts GUN, goes for the attack on the weapon, the advance agent comes back and takes the client with them away. 

If advance agent sees the weapon they yell GUN and go to the assailant. Our rule is who ever sees the weapon in a situation like that needs to notify and attack the weapon. Good question, very trick answers to the scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only answer plausible out of the scenario is B, problem is that that solution is not possible. At an industry awards banquet the car is long gone. </p>
<p>Then scenarios are completely different, such as did the advance agent notice the weapon? How close is the man with the gun, if within 6 feet or so, you need to attack the weapon. </p>
<p>Then the third agent from the chase car takes the client if he is in the equation and not a driver/agent for the chase car. If you have no retreat, then the person that sees the weapon shouts GUN, goes for the attack on the weapon, the advance agent comes back and takes the client with them away. </p>
<p>If advance agent sees the weapon they yell GUN and go to the assailant. Our rule is who ever sees the weapon in a situation like that needs to notify and attack the weapon. Good question, very trick answers to the scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Castro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Castro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is probably &quot;B&quot; but Doug and Karolyn are right it depends on the location of both vehicles. In the scenario given you can most reasonably bet the vehicles have moved on. It would therefore be reliant on the advance agents survey of alternate safe havens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is probably &#8220;B&#8221; but Doug and Karolyn are right it depends on the location of both vehicles. In the scenario given you can most reasonably bet the vehicles have moved on. It would therefore be reliant on the advance agents survey of alternate safe havens</p>
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		<title>By: Karolyn Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karolyn Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Quincy. I will give you an example: Golden Globes. Limo&#039;s Drop and Go due to heavy Celeb Drop off..only the security team is left on the Principal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Quincy. I will give you an example: Golden Globes. Limo&#8217;s Drop and Go due to heavy Celeb Drop off..only the security team is left on the Principal</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy Richards</title>
		<link>http://www.bodyguardcareers.com/2009/07/27/grammy-awards/comment-page-2/#comment-151764</link>
		<dc:creator>Quincy Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me ask the &quot;new guy&quot; question. I noticed a lot of conversation about the location of the limo and the driver. Shouldn&#039;t the limo stay onsite until the principle is in the venue then drive off to a standby location? Also even if he&#039;s just a &quot;regular&quot; limo driver, if we have a 4 man detail, wouldn&#039;t we have briefed him on evac procedures???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me ask the &#8220;new guy&#8221; question. I noticed a lot of conversation about the location of the limo and the driver. Shouldn&#8217;t the limo stay onsite until the principle is in the venue then drive off to a standby location? Also even if he&#8217;s just a &#8220;regular&#8221; limo driver, if we have a 4 man detail, wouldn&#8217;t we have briefed him on evac procedures???</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.bodyguardcareers.com/2009/07/27/grammy-awards/comment-page-2/#comment-151763</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This scenario is a little tough to answer with the information given (i.e if the perceived threat is viable, is he/she law enforcement simply moving through the crow i mean the gun is at his side, is it holstered etc. 

There are several unknown variables to consider) but I will give it a shot. The very first thing you have to remember is that as a EP/CP agent your job is not only to protect your client from threat of physical danger, but kidnapping and embarrassment as well. 

With a stage as big as the Red Carpet at the Grammy Awards you must be cognizant of all 3... Given the circumstances within the scenario there are really only two feasible answers (A or B).

I will explain my reasoning by process of elimination. In regard to (D) you are paid to ensure the safety of your client you should not assume or anticipate that anyone else will do your job for you. 

(C) is not a reasonable answer for two reasons 1) As the PSO your main job in a situation is to ensure the safe removal of the client from the situation. 2) The back drop of the event you never want to take an unnecessary risk that would endanger the lives of others. 

Now, given what was previously stated the overall goal is to remove the client from the situation. You most take into account the distance to the door and that to the limo, the position of the treat and how close your backup agents are in proximity to the threat. 

Scenarios such as these are what requires those in our profession to be able the think and react quickly. Not to mention that during the initial advance the situation should have been taken into account and planned for. In this scenario A) getting the client on the ground making them a smaller target, limiting exposure and possibility of embarrassment if the situation is not an actual threat would be good. 

Overall B) evacuating the client back to the protection limo would be the ideal response, better safe than sorry. So in short (B) would be the best course of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This scenario is a little tough to answer with the information given (i.e if the perceived threat is viable, is he/she law enforcement simply moving through the crow i mean the gun is at his side, is it holstered etc. </p>
<p>There are several unknown variables to consider) but I will give it a shot. The very first thing you have to remember is that as a EP/CP agent your job is not only to protect your client from threat of physical danger, but kidnapping and embarrassment as well. </p>
<p>With a stage as big as the Red Carpet at the Grammy Awards you must be cognizant of all 3&#8230; Given the circumstances within the scenario there are really only two feasible answers (A or B).</p>
<p>I will explain my reasoning by process of elimination. In regard to (D) you are paid to ensure the safety of your client you should not assume or anticipate that anyone else will do your job for you. </p>
<p>(C) is not a reasonable answer for two reasons 1) As the PSO your main job in a situation is to ensure the safe removal of the client from the situation. 2) The back drop of the event you never want to take an unnecessary risk that would endanger the lives of others. </p>
<p>Now, given what was previously stated the overall goal is to remove the client from the situation. You most take into account the distance to the door and that to the limo, the position of the treat and how close your backup agents are in proximity to the threat. </p>
<p>Scenarios such as these are what requires those in our profession to be able the think and react quickly. Not to mention that during the initial advance the situation should have been taken into account and planned for. In this scenario A) getting the client on the ground making them a smaller target, limiting exposure and possibility of embarrassment if the situation is not an actual threat would be good. </p>
<p>Overall B) evacuating the client back to the protection limo would be the ideal response, better safe than sorry. So in short (B) would be the best course of action.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oper8tor has taught me a valuable lesson, but I thought we were in this forum to discuss the Grammy scenario, not attack each other.

I know you &amp; I are hired to protect principles, and if need be place ourselves between the principle and the &quot;possible&quot; assailant, it is just my experience that a man with a gun doesn&#039;t contsitute a threat just because he has a gun, NOT YET.

...At this point, you observe a man with a gun...AT HIS SIDE...break through the ropes that are securing the press and run towards the celebrity.  You can see that the conference center has security agents stationed nearby, and local law enforcement is on scene...

Of course &quot;if&quot; the man looks like &quot;a threat&quot;, or raises the weapon, or is deemed hostile by me in anyway, I would go with &quot;b&quot;, but the scenario DID NOT say that.

In the future please DO NOT verbally attack ANYONE who is doing a job, and has been commended for their performance, just because you have a different version of the same answer. We all learn better when we discuss Tactics, Techniques &amp; Procedures (TTP&#039;s). I have been doing this since 2004 and I have seen men who thought they had the only correct answer get a one way ticket home. You state that anyone breaking the rope line is either a bad guy or law enforcement. Sorry about your limited experience but I have sceen this scenario (not at the Grammy&#039;s) and the guy WAS NOT A THREAT AT ALL! You say yourself that B is the answer, but you have other considerations, and so do I.

If you have a personal problem with me, please feel free to contact me at Bilal0649@yahoo.com, otherwise thanks Hucky great topic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oper8tor has taught me a valuable lesson, but I thought we were in this forum to discuss the Grammy scenario, not attack each other.</p>
<p>I know you &amp; I are hired to protect principles, and if need be place ourselves between the principle and the &#8220;possible&#8221; assailant, it is just my experience that a man with a gun doesn&#8217;t contsitute a threat just because he has a gun, NOT YET.</p>
<p>&#8230;At this point, you observe a man with a gun&#8230;AT HIS SIDE&#8230;break through the ropes that are securing the press and run towards the celebrity.  You can see that the conference center has security agents stationed nearby, and local law enforcement is on scene&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course &#8220;if&#8221; the man looks like &#8220;a threat&#8221;, or raises the weapon, or is deemed hostile by me in anyway, I would go with &#8220;b&#8221;, but the scenario DID NOT say that.</p>
<p>In the future please DO NOT verbally attack ANYONE who is doing a job, and has been commended for their performance, just because you have a different version of the same answer. We all learn better when we discuss Tactics, Techniques &amp; Procedures (TTP&#8217;s). I have been doing this since 2004 and I have seen men who thought they had the only correct answer get a one way ticket home. You state that anyone breaking the rope line is either a bad guy or law enforcement. Sorry about your limited experience but I have sceen this scenario (not at the Grammy&#8217;s) and the guy WAS NOT A THREAT AT ALL! You say yourself that B is the answer, but you have other considerations, and so do I.</p>
<p>If you have a personal problem with me, please feel free to contact me at <a href="mailto:Bilal0649@yahoo.com">Bilal0649@yahoo.com</a>, otherwise thanks Hucky great topic!</p>
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